Share Share Tweet Email. When Goku utilises Ultra Instinct Omen, we see him being able to hold his own against Jiren but was still significantly weaker than Jiren based on their fight in Episode 129. It wouldn’t be a surprise if one of those gods of destruction is stronger than Beerus and it will also add a link to the next arc where Goku can go to fight one of them. As a result, Goku has been on the receiving end of many beatings throughout the series, but he usually always finds a way to get past his latest foe. The fact that there is someone more powerful than Jiren should be considered a real latent threat to anyone who is considered an enemy. Nevertheless, this is the impression we have, but nothing has been confirmed yet. 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When Goku/ Vegeta says they've never seen someone as strong as Jiren, that essentially means Jiren is stronger than Fused Zamasu or antagonists faced before and it has nothing to do with personal opinion and is simply common sense. All things considered, Goku isn't stronger than Jiren yet and there are many reasons for that. Oh man, while I agree with you... you shouldn't have done that. Basically, Whis gives the idea or intention that there are even more powerful beings that Jiren somewhere in the different 12 universes, or well, now probably 18 universes, remembering that the Android 17 asked for the return of all. discord.gg/dbz So the answer is no (Hold on, we’ll tell you why). Until I see Goku defeat Beerus, Jiren, Broly on a 1v1. If broly was trained correctly AND could reach the likes of ssgss or even ssg he'd probably kill all of them. However, in the anime adaptation called Dragon Ball Z, many believe that Gohan surpassed his dad in strength as he was always meant to do so throughout the series. Then once UI Goku appears, he forces Jiren to get serious in a fight, and while he didn't win he did push Jiren more than he ever has been. Vegeta doesn’t actually do that bad. Since there is no way to compare their powers directly as they haven’t faced off yet, we will be using their battles with Goku as a reference. Forum Posts . We know this Jiren is stronger than Vermouth. However, Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 Goku was still not enough to harm or hurt Jiren in the battle. So yeah, this question has been bothering me. So far from what we've seen, Jiren is definitely stronger than Moro but due to the difference in techniques and personalities Moro would win, he drains energy until his opponents were weak enough for him to win. Beerus, Broly, Jiren, Goku. This gameplay is amazing watch now. In episode 109, whis confirms that Jiren was the mortal he was talking about. On the level of Gods of Destruction and maybe even stronger! Recall that momentarily Goku is unable to re-activate the selfish doctrine of self-will, which is why this level is inferior to Jiren. EDIT: And also Broly cannot actually be stronger than Cell since a SSj3 can be sensed even outside of the universe. Facts. Goku is stronger than Gohan in the manga series. So, MUI Beerus > MUI Goku who beated Limit Broken Jiren. After few seconds, Jiren got up and blasted Goku. Since Beerus is stronger than Jiren, if he is close enough to use Hakai against him, then chances are that Jiren will suffer defeat. Maybe Goku MUI is stronger than Jiren, but not so much. Dragon Ball Super Episode 111 shows Jiren (Post Ultra Instinct Goku) VS Hit! More posts from the Dragonballsuper community, Discuss news and excitement about Dragonball Super. Goku made massive gains during those 6 months with Merus, to the point that he can stomp a guy who can stomp a much stronger Gohan than the one from the ToP, who was already SSB tier. The fact that Beerus still disagrees with you and thinks he is still better than Goku, means you need to drop with your headcannon that Jiren and Goku are stronger than Beerus. Moro blocked SSB Goku's punch without being phased, but was gritting his teeth and having bulging veins every time he had to block Omen Goku's attacks. Beerus, Broly, Jiren, Goku. We have seen Jiren trashing SSB Goku in the latest preview. Berus' does not feel that way towards the other god of destructions. Now the situation is different, he is much stronger than before (with Blue + Kaioken and MUI). #dragonball #gamer #gameplay #gaming #DBFZ #DragonBallFighterZ #FGC. Now if we compare this to Jiren, obviously Jiren was a lot stronger than both Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta combined but this is not a tournament anymore. My opinion is based on what has been shown in the Anime/Manga. I know it's very hard to do reasonings about this particular topic (because even Toriyama doesn't know it precisely, and we don't have enough informations). But they all wiped the floor with Goku. Can Beerus beat Whis? Goku implied to Merus in the beginning of the Moro arc that Jiren was still stronger than him and Vegeta. There is a big difference in terms of power between Goku Blue and Goku MUI. While the Multiplier for Vegito is extremely high. To assume that SSB Goku is stronger than Jiren is to assume that current UIO Goku is several times stronger than Jiren, who has already established himself as a solid GoD tier (he is stronger than the GoD of his universe, and as we saw in the exhibition match the GoDs are at similar levels). And though only a short amount of time has gone by, Goku is stronger than both of them. Whis, reveal to us that Goku was utilizing his Super Super Saiyan Bule Kaioken x20 against Jiren which is far stronger than Vegeta’s Super Saiyan Blue. Goku, in his normal Super Saiyan transformations, isn't good enough for Jiren, and as of right now, he cannot, by will, tap into Ultra Instinct. Goku has yet to beat the first 3 in a 1v1 fight. We have yet to see Broly or Beerus in their strongest form either. Zeno aside, Jiren is only matched by Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku. If that’s true, then Jiren, who has the power of a god, could really be stronger than all other Dragon Ball villains, including the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. The only scaling for Beerus and Jiren is a magazine scan that claims MUI Goku is 'possibly' stronger than Beerus. But they all wiped the floor with Goku. 24 Jiren. Also, Goku said that Broly might be stronger than Beerus, while it was suggested by comments made in Dragon Ball Super that Beerus was greatly eclipsed by Jiren. When Jiren shows up, it's heavily implied he's the one mortal stronger than GoD, which would likely include Beerus. Goku defeated Jiren briefly and only due to an anger attack. Several times higher than Fusion dance. Moro >>>>> Jiren. If Jiren were to fight Broly, it feels quite plausible that the more … Facts. A stronger MUI Goku who stomped someone stronger than Jiren vs said dude who lost against a weaker MUI. Although Jiren appeared to be stronger initially, Goku's ever-growing strength proved to be too much for him by the end. Do you wonder if Jiren is Stronger than Goku? 8 Can Defeat: Hit Potara was a fusion so powerful it was even stronger than SSJ3 goku in base form. People don’t seem to realize just how much Goku has increased in power since the ToP, they’re absolutely incomparable! Explain your theories without being rude :), (I know somebody else made similar post, but I haven't understood many answers). This gameplay is amazing watch now. Jiren was a wall of power at the Tournament of Power where Goku had to break his limits and achieve Ultra Instinct in order to beat him. 4. This would certainly be considered an immense spoiler. He even manages to see through one of Jiren’s attacks and get a few punches in. User Info: Tomba42. You can’t even compare the two. Comment. Goku has yet to beat the first 3 in a 1v1 fight. Goku has yet to beat the first 3 in a 1v1 fight. I'm talking about ANIME of DBS, not manga (there are some differences). In the 'Xenoverse 2,' Whis makes a very interesting point. Some claim that this subject could be the villain who appears in the movie “Dragon Ball Super.” The film will tell a story after the Power Tournament and tackle previously unexplored issues, having to do with Freeza and the Saiyan race, and it'll be a story that will have a formidable opponent prepared for that moment. Think about this: Goku is able to keep up with Beerus as SSG “red,” a form in which he literally couldn’t touch Jiren. A discussion-dedicated Dragon Ball subreddit. Jiren on the other hand, he can be defeated by Goku when he enters MUI but like I said, time isn’t on the side of Goku until he actually fully masters UI. By Sam Stone Apr 02, 2020. It's been just over a week since the end of “Dragon Ball Super.” Still, that does not rule out almost daily interesting news coming out about the franchise. Goku is stronger than Gohan in the manga series. Only thing you might be right about is the jap between Jiren and toppo but i take charcter statements with a grain of salt so im going to wait and see how both of them perform before making any judgements. Dragon Ball Super has introduced some of the strongest characters in the Dragon Ball franchise! There are no boundaries, no reason to hold back and Broly is going for the kill. The possibility that Jiren is stronger than Fused Zamasu is huge. 0. via: dragonball.wikia.com. In fact, just a few days ago, a possible spoiler was announced that almost went unnoticed. Once Goku mastered UI, he was completely able to overwhelm Jiren(Whose power is God of Destruction Tier). Beerus is way stronger than we think. Jiren is not a villain, however. Now if Goku is able to beat Jiren that would simply mean Goku has finally surpassed Beerus. Zamasu can trash both Vegeta and Goku in SSB. Nov 13, 2017 #5 Judging from Berus's reaction, his cock is getting hard and ready to fight Goku. Forcing Jiren to go Full Power! Time_Hero 7 months ago #23. So Jiren still wins. While there is a 30-minute time limit, that’s more than … The fact that there is someone more powerful than Jiren should be considered a real latent threat to anyone who is considered an enemy. If that’s true, then Jiren, who has the power of a god, could really be stronger than all other Dragon Ball villains, including the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. Hence the reason Goku is stronger than Beerus. While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. For a long time, the Super Saiyan technique has been Goku’s bread and butter, but believe it or not, he actually has another, even more powerful form. Official Aqua of the Kingdom Hearts 3 board. Likewise, Piccolo, who was only 3 at the time he fought Goku during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, was the strongest opponent Goku had ever faced up to that point. 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Is Jiren stronger than Goku? Jiren = lb goku > kk x20 goku > kk x10 goku > kk x5 goku > ssb = hit. Gods have way more durability, stamina than mortals and their Ultra instinct forms are stronger than mortals. Our discord: https://discord.gg/44H3kJx, Press J to jump to the feed. VIDEO: Why Dragon Ball Z's Goku is Stronger Than Superman. They all fall down. So, Beerus can easily do that too. So, who is stronger Goku or Gohan? Jiren was never stated stronger than Beerus, he was not even compared to Beerus. Is Jiren Stronger Than Beerus? FP Jiren > UI Goku > Heavily suppressed Jiren > UI -Sign- Goku (Also keep in mind the no killing rule) FP UI -Sign- Goku (presumably) > FP Moro > Suppressed UI -Sign- Goku > Moro Broly isn't even in the discussion, dude is far weaker than all of the contenders for the title of the strongest. For those who are awaiting leaks about the animated series, they know perfectly well that video games like “Dragon ball heroes” or “Dragon Ball Xenoverse,” usually bring us one or another revelation on their platforms that happened in the original plot of the Series. Kaio ken hurts but he can do it on purpose. Dude is probably the strongest amongst the gods. Tomba42 2 years ago #15. Anyway, Goku fought Beerus at the beginning of DBS (he didn't even know the Super Saiyan God). But surely Jiren The Grey has been training since. The clearest example is the one that ended up revealing for months that Goku and Freeza would be the last in the arena of the Power Tournament and that they would fight together against Jiren. In fact he was having trouble keeping up with Goku’s speed in that form! Using Jiren as a key as he's the only character Goku has fought that's seemingly comparable to Beerus. We will keep you updated with the news you shouldn’t miss. ToP Jiren is just under current Sign Goku, who would be stronger than a hypothetical SSBKKx20 Goku. Later in episode 130, Goku surpasses Jiren’s hidden power which was stronger than his full power. Top. Akira himself has faith that this opponent will be extremely strong as required in the life of Saiyan survival. About Broly, we've never seen Goku MUI vs him. Taking that into account, it leads us to wonder who could be the stronger warrior. 10 Stronger: Ultra Instinct Goku You can’t even compare the two. It will be an extremely powerful subject, created of course by the Toriyama himself. As the hero of the story, Goku's main goal, besides saving the Earth and its inhabitants, is to find the strongest opponent he can and test his abilities. Gogeta Blue >> LB Jiren > FPSS Broly = MUI Goku. User Info: Time_Hero. 42.7k members in the dragonball community. Think about this: Goku is able to keep up with Beerus as SSG “red,” a form in which he literally couldn’t touch Jiren. Those jiren fanboys are going to get all sweaty now. This is a hard stomp. In the anime, yes. Jiren's universe was supposed to be one of the stronger ones. MUI Goku is stronger than Jiren but at the end of Super Jiren is the strongest non-GoD/Angel character. His words are the following: "It would also be prudent to remember that there could be someone much stronger than Jiren out there," and then he laughs the laughter that characterizes him, emphasizing that he continues to hide many things. Then once UI Goku appears, he forces Jiren to get serious in a fight, and while he didn't win he did push Jiren more than he ever has been. according to Diazenzhuu. However, in the anime adaptation called Dragon Ball Z, many believe that Gohan surpassed his dad in strength as he was always meant to do so throughout the series. But, according to you, who is stronger between Goku, Jiren, Beerus, Broly? Gotenks is able to transform into a Super Saiyan 3. We've seen Goku Blue humiliated by him, but maybe Goku MUI would have held head to him. Hmmm, wonder who wins. Read more on the same topic from Lancer Tv: This article has been curated and verified by, This area provides transparent information about Blasting News, our editorial processes and how we strive for creating trustworthy news. All of the gods and angels were in awe of Jiren. Nonetheless, in this post, we are going to state the reason why Vegeta was stronger than Goku in season 1 of super anime and the manga version if Goku did have Kaioken and Ultra Instinct. Anyway, I don't believe this to be the case BlackBoo, Jul 2, 2020. Anyway, Goku fought Beerus at the beginning of DBS (he didn't even know the Super Saiyan God). Therefore, it’s hard to give a concrete answer to this question. If even that. #dragonball #gamer #gameplay #gaming #DBFZ #DragonBallFighterZ #FGC. 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